After only two drinks, the researchers noted changes in the working of the prefrontal cortex of the brain, the part...

After only two drinks, the researchers noted changes in the working of the prefrontal cortex of the brain, the part…

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After only two drinks, the researchers noted changes in the working of the prefrontal cortex of the brain, the part normally involved in tempering a person’s levels of aggression.

http://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/brain-scans-show-why-people-get-aggressive-after-drink-or-two

43 comments

  1. No wonder Luke can act like such a asshole, at time. after only 2 drinks. Well really it’s after 4, but hey whose counting…. LOL

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  3. مساء الامل

  4. And why exactly have we an image of an angry white male?

    Is that because it’s so much easier to get away with that in this present time. Why not a Black male or a White woman?

    Unreal.

  5. Gideon Rosenblatt​ And, not all people become aggressive after only two drinks.

    They may be more inclined to speak their mind, but that doesn’t automatically default to aggression.

  6. Oh! Is it a standard case for everyone. I can’t stop giggling after 2 glasses of margarita on rocks. But interesting article to read.

  7. Have you been drinking, TheVocalMale?

  8. It’s a joke, TheVocalMale. I suggest lightening up a bit. Perhaps that drink would do some good.

  9. This is an interesting study Gideon Rosenblatt. I saw it a few weeks back. What struck me is that despite the inhibitory action of alcohol there still had to be situational or dispositional factors that augmented the situation and made loss of self-control more likely. As always we seem to get into a situation of cognitive dissonance where the brain is fighting with parts of itself. The introduction of alcohol in that mix creates a volatile situation because it disturbs the balance of inner tension.

    Beyond explaining why some people can get drunk without turning violent, it shows that when violence does break out (and Manchester, UK, on a Friday night turns into a war zone around midnight as the pubs shut) it’s indicative of deeper societal and communal failings.

  10. TheVocalMale because I live there and have first-hand experience of the scene at the A & E (ER for our American friends) on a Friday night. So, no. Not bias, just my own limited data set. Don’t get over-defensive. 🙂 It’s not a personal attack and LOL, disturbance in Bramhall? You’re welcome to find other reasons beyond alcohol. 🙂

  11. TheVocalMale I am more interested to know your objection to this. So far you’ve just raised a bunch of opinions and it’s A&E unless you’re not a Brit (see above). Have you got some data that backs up your contentions or is this an Infowars-inspired approach to facts?

  12. TheVocalMale I changed it because at this time I normally talk to a US-centric audience. Unlike someone hiding anonymously behind a St. George’s Cross flag I am a verified public person who can be Googled. So no pretending. But of course you were not expected to know that from your profile or, indeed, know where Bramhall is. You’re only here to peddle nationalistic nonsense spoonfed to you by Paul et al. Now go and “Take Back Control” while this Brexit nonsense is still up. Its expiration date will soon come up.

  13. TheVocalMale no worries mate. I checked out your profile. Infowars have a nice set of tin foil hats you can actually buy. I strongly suggest you get some. Stay well adjusted or else keep away from alcohol. Wouldn’t want you adding to the stats now, would we?

  14. TheVocalMale there, there now. If I hurt your sensibility, Boots have a special offer on 500mg Panadol which would take care of the pain. Wouldn’t want to add to the NHS burden with such snowflake aches now, would we?

  15. TheVocalMale, now it’s time to put that drink down, my friend, and calm down, perhaps with a meditation. I know this location, right in your prefrontal cortex that you could try concentrating on.

    Seriously though, man, you are playing the role of the perfect troll right now. This is warning one, and then it’s bye-bye time.

  16. TheVocalMale it should really be “ad hominem” (it’s Latin) and clearly you cannot take your own medicine. And seriously, trust? From you? Go listen to a few Infowar rants from Paul. I am sure they will make you feel right as rain again.

  17. David Amerland, good to get back on track with the actual topic. Thanks. I’d not seen the connection to context. But that makes sense. I wonder if people are just more generally open to emotive suggestions when that part of the prefrontal cortex is inhibited. For example, if we were surrounded by people being all lovey-dovey, would we be more predisposed to that?

  18. Gideon Rosenblatt it’s a good question. It’s all about critical decision making under subverted conditions that compromise critical thinking. Drunk, surrounded by like-minded people we would, I would think, succumb to peer group pressure and be what everyone else is. There are actually some statistics on this in football crowds which is why you cannot buy alcohol in a British Football ground. The Hooliganism phenomenon of the 1970s was partially fuelled by alcohol (beer was then sold on Football grounds).

  19. I haven’t deleted any comments, so I’m not sure what you’re even talking about TheVocalMale. Not yet, at least. But I have a feeling that’s likely to change to shut down your derailment.

  20. David Amerland, we have the same issues here, sadly.

  21. Gideon Rosenblatt adding to your question and expanding my comment, in a more general sense, the brain’s homeostasis is a delicate thing. It can be upset by social, emotional and physical conditions. This is why I mentioned that there is a deeper societal failing to our experience of alcohol-fuelled violence. The alcohol is a catalyst but not the cause. To add a wider context to this, I’ve spent time in both Spain and Greece where alcohol is readily available at all hours of the day (you can buy it at cafes or even street kiosks). Yet alcohol-fuelled violence is rare and even public drunkenness is rare. Alcohol is used as a social interaction lubricant and a safety valve. Brains experiencing internal stress due to rigid self-control which takes effort may well crave it as a release. It is ironic that it then subverts the very thing they were fighting to control and releases the anger that leads to aggression.

  22. TheVocalMale go and appreciate Paul et al then mate and really, do look up the tin hat merchandise. Leave the real talk to people who can actually think as opposed to being told what to say and feeling embattled because they are male and white (puh-leeze, you’re making me weep). And remember, vote UKIP. They need all the votes they can get. 😀

  23. TheVocalMale ta-ta.

  24. TheVocalMale Nigey needs you. Go hold his hand. (He might even come back and lead you all to another stunning electoral victory, just like the other seven is it now, times? :D)

  25. It’s funny, David Amerland — I feel like we just witnessed a kind of synchronicity, a meta-explanation of what you’re talking about. It’s like there’s this anger lurking in deep pockets of the US and the UK, a foaming resentment over a deep cultural divide, as one specific sociographic segment of society has to make room for others at the trough of economic and political power. When this tension is given vent by alcohol, temporarily loosening the hold of executive functioning, the rage spews out.

    An over-simplification for sure, but I think there’s something to this.

  26. Gideon Rosenblatt we need to do way better as societies. For too long we’ve ignored divisions because whatever barriers and controls were in place they were sufficient to maintain some sort of cohesive tension. I have friends living in Council Estates in Britain who are on a clearly opposite side of this divide. The lifestyle they have and choices they have to make are questionable at best. Yet nowhere in the political spectrum of any party really was there much consideration given to them. No one though that here’s a resource, stagnating, getting frustrated, being lost, we could help bloom. As you say, it’s not just in the UK. We need to learn from this. And do better.

  27. That’s right, David Amerland. The hard thing about this particular demographic and cultural shift is that it is happening at the same time as another, primarily economic shift; specifically, a massive increase in the disparity of wealth and stagnation in the real incomes of average people. This is the real source of the pain. The cultural divisions, while real, become an excellent foil for those who stand to gain from dividing those whose slices of the pie are getting smaller and smaller.

  28. Gideon Rosenblatt Well, actually, statistically, the world is getting “nicer.” http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/24/opinion/kristof-are-we-getting-nicer.html

    But, yes, the wealthy part of the world is starting to bifurcate, one of the (many) ills of capitalism (that we already know about (“The Wealth of Nations” 1776, Adam Smith)) that the government is there to keep in check (!). That is the government’s main reason for existence (to keep this bifurcation (monopolies) from happening)!

    But to go back to how this all connects to alcohol (Meg is keeping on track???? What is going on????? (I stopped drinking a year ago, wonder if that has anything to do with it? ;’))

    But seriously how this REALLY connects to alcohol is that when civilization itself comes into existence (Mesopotamia, 10,000 years ago), four things happen at the same time: slavery, taxes, alcohol, and writing. Bam! They all come in at the same time!!!!

    Cut to ten thousand years later? And The Enlightenment (which is just yesterday in these vast numbers) comes into being: in essence, through centuries of observations, and the writings of great thinkers and great doers (that we read about), and through discussing those ideas amongst one another, we come to appreciate that we ALL are equally valuable, differing in our talents, but each having a contribution, an “equality” of meaning , now established in law.

    My guess is that (in the tragic way human things are) we needed the leisure and “time off from reality” that slaves and alcohol provided to have the time to begin to appreciate life, to share our appreciation with others ( as we are doing here ), to figure out that although the ‘system’ had worked to get us here, we needed a course correction, and VOILA! The Emancipation Proclamation. (Instant version of the course I’m teaching at Antioch University, “Foundations of Civilizations.”)

    Then it takes a few more decades (but nanoseconds in our scale) to make that realization “more perfect.”

    And now we are at the point where we could all have enough, all have the leisure to appreciate life together. It is (as all things human) at the moment when we have almost destroyed our “house.” Will we figure this out and achieve what we can dream? Stay tuned…

    Alcohol? My guess is that when things are more sane, when things are more Just (thinking The Netherlands for a minute), people drink differently. (I noticed in Europe that Americans drank fast, Europeans drank slow) so those two drinks? Different effects and affects. The Dutch drink and smoke pot, but they do it in a way that is indescribably more sane than we do in the States. They enjoy sitting around in cafes together more than the alcohol itself (again, my observation).

    (For me? Alcohol is a depressant. Having DJT as our president is depressing enough. I did not want to add to it. I am working at making sure I have a strong homelife, using the negative to create a positive for me (one person) so this destructive force does not suck everyone into it. When it’s all over, I’ll write about all that I did to “resist” the darkness and fear.)

    Ask me if I’m drinking after this nightmare is over. ;’) I promise I won’t punch you in the nose after two drinks!

  29. I have been sober 29 years. I was a mean drunk. I don’t know why I became that way. In my opinion some people shouldn’t drink.

  30. Meg Tufano, I see the connection between taxes, slavery and writing, but alcohol seems to be the outlier there. Maybe it was a night of drinking and, boom, writing, taxes and slavery! 😉

    I hear you with not getting sucked into the darkness. Even in this post, you can see the temptation to get sucked into arguments that pull you into the aspects of yourself of which you are least proud. I even deleted a snide comment I made after blocking them. Why get stuck with that?

    The United States is facing a major test right now. Assuming we get out of this with our republic still in tact, we will be able to thank Trump for pointing out the vulnerabilities in our current system and then we will have some work to do in order to rebuild our country and restore our reputation in the world, truly making American great once again. 🙂

  31. alcohol is a dangerous drug,and if it came with the same warnings as cigarettes,no one would touch the stuff.

  32. Gideon Rosenblatt I agree completely! Inequality across the board is the fundamental problem. Great points!

  33. Gideon Rosenblatt Alcohol point first, the alcohol was a surprise to me also, but showed up in a new textbook we are using at Antioch and it sort of makes sense: people living closer together, ideas of hygiene thousands of years off, so people who drank alcohol, survived ! (Bacteria cannot (generally) live in alcohol.)

    And then when I think of all the great scenes of people throughout history discussing great ideas while drinking… Maybe there’s more to it than just survival… (Two come to mind, The Last Supper of the New Testament; The Symposium by Plato (which you might want to re-read)–“symposium” literally means in Ancient Greek “drinking party.”)

    Again, looking at VAST expanses of time, the awakening of consciousness we have especially enjoyed in our lifetimes (me more than thou, as women were only allowed to read just yesterday), alcohol has made some kind of contribution to civility—maybe because we feel our oats after two drinks but agree NOT to fight but to sublimate that feeling into ideas? Or, at least when there was a ‘society’ in which we operated, we agreed to that? (And now with “bowling alone,” we feel more free to bonk the other guy? IDK.)

    I’m not sure about all that, but something like an agreement to discuss ideas while drinking seems to have happened in civil society (again, over VAST periods of time and history). One of the lines of argument in this new history book is that we (eventually) evolved to become better at digesting alcohol! (Those who couldn’t do so died off!)

    As to our losing America, I think we will have to fight to get her back, but I have never seen so much political energy! Not even in the Sixties when I was fighting the good fight against the stupid Vietnam war (also full of lies like Iraq (and worse ones)) (see The Post if you haven’t). (One forgets about The Pentagon Papers before Watergate.)

    My point is that it is often darkest before the dawn .

    Not that long ago, the West almost gave up in despair at Hitler’s rise! What would have happened if Japan had not bombed PH? I do not like to think we Americans would have been so stupid for much longer, but? We sure could have been! (Yikes!)

    I have made the mental decision there are no “would have beens” only what is . (From arguments in C.S. Lewis’ That Hideous Strength and his Narnia stories.) I might look at a better way to do something because of a bad outcome, but I will face what is rather than think about what could have been! (Bad way to live in my observation of others.)

    And so, we will face what is! AGAIN! This time the threat from within. That threat has always been there, but we’ve been lucky so far. (When you read The Federalist Papers, it’s the fear of ‘the people’ doing something stupid like voting in someone like DJT…I wish Jefferson or Madison had thought of the Athenian idea of ostracism. DJT would have been the perfect target (read up on it and you’ll find it was exactly the “popular” people who were ostracized! Smart those Athenians! ;’))

    BTW, when we win this battle, YOU will make a toast to America, to her fighting words! Life! Liberty! Happiness! For ALL! And maybe I’ll drink to that!!!!

    Something to look forward to…

  34. the devils water.

  35. Mel X I think it CAN be? But it doesn’t have to be. Again, my experience in Europe as compared to the U.S. is that it is possible to make alcohol something very low key, relaxing, not stimulating. It involves setting up a lot of structures around it (cafes, little streets, practice with family) so that the IDEA is not to get drunk, but to enjoy the day. …For me personally? I discovered I was getting depressed from it more than it was relaxing. I have never felt like hitting anyone, either drunk or sober. I think this experiment was done with males which means they probably want to hit someone with or without alcohol (yes, that was a sexist statement).

  36. Meg Tufano Before I got sober, I was a binge drinker and when the weekends came my first stop was the state store. I didn’t drink when I had to work the next day. I was an angry drunk and had no second thought of hitting someone. I am sure I must have had some deeply hidden issues that may have surfaced when I drank.

  37. Anita Cheney My graduate degree is in Depth Psychology ( Carl Jung was a depth psychologist ) and what we do not know about ourselves is one thing; then what we CANNOT know about ourselves is something else.

    The first (what we do not know) we can learn from situations where our unconscious can act out without inhibition (being drunk for example (for some people)). And it is to your credit that you paid attention because what is clear to me is that people will become whole with or without their consent!

    The area of work (everyone has SOME “issues”) is different for everyone. I have a relative who is so intentional in remaining unconscious that it is scary to watch her act in the world: and then drink copiously. She keeps running as fast as she can (and getting herself in deeper and deeper, closer to “bottom”) whereas she could have chosen to face whatever it is (as you are doing). It really does take some courage!

    It seems to me the rule is never broken, life requires truth. We can get it the “easy” way (may not feel easy), or the hard way, but life demands that we become conscious. No exceptions.

    Then there is what we cannot know. Obviously, we can’t know it—but intuitively there is something beyond our ken that is played out in destructive behaviors that seem connected to the purely irrational. As M. Scott Peck points out in his book, The People of the Lie . I do my best to steer clear!

  38. Gideon Rosenblatt really interesting. It feeds directly into this and an earlier study cited in the article: http://bit.ly/2G4dPH5. Interestingly the same reward circuits and impaired memory which makes learning model-free are in effect. Model-free learning makes it next to impossible to assess a risk that’s being faced (in this particular case the aggression of a potential bar fight) because we haven’t learnt anything from previous experiences and our memory of them has been severely impaired. It is beginning to appear that our ability to maintain control of a situation depends on our ability to predict its outcome (which helps us prepare for it) but that ability is impaired when our reward system is imbalanced and our memory is impaired. I think you kinda begin to see how the brain’s layers “see” the world and that should also impact how AI creates an image of reality too.

  39. Alcohol is a dangerous drug, it’s crazy that it’s even legal, I think narcotics are safer. I nearly killed my self accidently once while drunk, and when I got home from the hospital poured another drink. It took quite a lot of damage before I finally gave the stuff up.

  40. David Amerland, my wife and I have this trick that we’ve learned over the years when we feel an argument coming on. When one of us says something, the other needs to summarize it back before they can say their peace. This tends to slow the build up of tension and clear the mind for more rational thought.

  41. Gideon Rosenblatt I am going to try that 🙂

  42. ONE On The Road. …??

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